Recently I've branched out in terms of exploring the Internet and found even more lovely and interesting people to get to know. Many of them also have M.E./CFS or some other chronic illness.
The Internet can be a wonderful tool through which to meet people, gain support, new knowledge and experiences. What has been interesting and thought provoking for me is to gradually find out more and more about these new acquaintances and to compare notes.
As ever, with relationships of any kind, I have 'clicked' with some people more than others and, again, as in any group of people, there has been more exchange of experiences with some than with others.
Names or situations are not relevant here and I am honoured that people have been willing to share stuff with me: as a virtual 'friend' and, simultaneously a virtual (in the old-fashioned sense) stranger, it may be far easier and less threatening to tell me stuff than to tell a 'real' person but still, I always feel honoured if people share a part of themselves.
Now, it may be that like attracts like but it has to be said (well it doesn't have to but I'm going to anyway) that there does seem to be a common thread running through the lives of many people I have met who have M.E./CFS: that they have had some really bad experiences in their lives and there is real trauma. Without going into any details I cannot exclude myself from such a group and it's interesting that I don't go into details precisely because of the nature of my past.
Suffice to say that I cannot help but wonder if there really is some sort of connection between people who succumb to M.E. and people who do not. Let me make it perfectly clear that I do believe 100% that M.E. is a genuine physical illness. Recently, there has been an awful lot of publicity and conversation about the XMRV virus and the possibility ( may well be more than a possibility) that this is one origin of the condition called M.E. However, it also seems that many people carry the virus and yet are not unwell...so what makes the difference ? Are the people who become unwell predisposed in some physiological way or is their immune system also compromised by the way they handle stresses and trauma or compromised because there has been so much trauma ?
There seems to be a consensus amongst PWME that stress makes our symptoms worse and certainly for me I know that, just before I was diagnosed, I had had a long, long period of stress ( about 7 years of one crisis after another where it was me who was expected to sort everything out and cope and support other people). I also know that last year's relapse was preceded by a series of difficult situations. I held up well and coped with it all until eventually everything became too much, my health failed and it took me almost 9 months to begin to pick up again.
As well as getting to know more PWME recently I have also been exploring other ideas for almost a year and one of these is the notion of the HSP or the Highly Sensitive Person:
' a person having the innate trait of high psychological sensitivity (or innate sensitiveness as Carl Jung originally coined it).' According to Elaine N. Aron highly sensitive people comprise about a fifth of the population and may process sensory data much more deeply and thoroughly due to a biological difference in their nervous systems'The Internet can be a wonderful tool through which to meet people, gain support, new knowledge and experiences. What has been interesting and thought provoking for me is to gradually find out more and more about these new acquaintances and to compare notes.
As ever, with relationships of any kind, I have 'clicked' with some people more than others and, again, as in any group of people, there has been more exchange of experiences with some than with others.
Names or situations are not relevant here and I am honoured that people have been willing to share stuff with me: as a virtual 'friend' and, simultaneously a virtual (in the old-fashioned sense) stranger, it may be far easier and less threatening to tell me stuff than to tell a 'real' person but still, I always feel honoured if people share a part of themselves.
Now, it may be that like attracts like but it has to be said (well it doesn't have to but I'm going to anyway) that there does seem to be a common thread running through the lives of many people I have met who have M.E./CFS: that they have had some really bad experiences in their lives and there is real trauma. Without going into any details I cannot exclude myself from such a group and it's interesting that I don't go into details precisely because of the nature of my past.
Suffice to say that I cannot help but wonder if there really is some sort of connection between people who succumb to M.E. and people who do not. Let me make it perfectly clear that I do believe 100% that M.E. is a genuine physical illness. Recently, there has been an awful lot of publicity and conversation about the XMRV virus and the possibility ( may well be more than a possibility) that this is one origin of the condition called M.E. However, it also seems that many people carry the virus and yet are not unwell...so what makes the difference ? Are the people who become unwell predisposed in some physiological way or is their immune system also compromised by the way they handle stresses and trauma or compromised because there has been so much trauma ?
There seems to be a consensus amongst PWME that stress makes our symptoms worse and certainly for me I know that, just before I was diagnosed, I had had a long, long period of stress ( about 7 years of one crisis after another where it was me who was expected to sort everything out and cope and support other people). I also know that last year's relapse was preceded by a series of difficult situations. I held up well and coped with it all until eventually everything became too much, my health failed and it took me almost 9 months to begin to pick up again.
As well as getting to know more PWME recently I have also been exploring other ideas for almost a year and one of these is the notion of the HSP or the Highly Sensitive Person:
Certainly, as soon as I found out about this theory, I felt an affinity and recognition and I subsequently found that there is a whole community of people who consider themselves to be HSP. There are forums, magazines, groups, retreats etc etc and guess what ?: they are nearly all in America and not in the U.K..
Now, to we stiff upper lipped Britishers, this HSP stuff may well smack of 'typical' West Coast/ Hippy Trippy/ Oprah American 'nonsense' (sorry any U.S. readers but this is how this sort of stuff is viewed here :' Oh that's so American') but, to me, there seems some sense to it. It rings a bell somewhere...not just since I had M.E. (which is forever ..well about 37 years) but since forever: all my childhood memories, all my teenage memories are coloured by being exactly as HSPs are supposed to be. Many of my adult memories are filled with experiences of trying to deal with feeling out of sync, too sensitive and trying to find ways to be like other people and squeeze myself into a tight, tight box.
I have joined some of the HSP Internet news and discussion groups and sometimes I find myself thinking (and sometimes saying aloud) 'Oh for God's sake..get a life, get a grip, just get on with it '. This is very un-HSP, very insensitive very 'un-empathetic' but there is a kind of anger in me I think because I probably feel that that is what I have had to do in order to survive for so long...just get on with it despite 'it' being so difficult so why can't these other people ?: not very charitable of me.
The 'it' might be just life, just relating, just trying to be like everyone else when I just don't feel that way, don't respond that way. Eventually of course one becomes hardened, becomes cut off from one's true self because...well because it's easier in some ways to appear 'normal' but inside it gets ever, ever harder. When the crunch comes and there are too many stressors and if or when one of those stressors is a physical illness, then the body breaks down and the whole house of cards that has been built so carefully, so precariously by the HSP falls to the ground.
So here I am being brave: risking ridicule for allying myself to hippy trippy 'American navel-gazing nonsense', risking wrath for suggesting that maybe stress and sensitivity and innate vulnerability may have something to do with why some people succumb to M.E.
I may have been lucky but virtually all the PWME I have met through the Internet have also seemed to be sensitive, thoughtful, creative, vulnerable, giving: the sort of people I'm glad to know, the sort of people who seem rare in the real world. Perhaps it's easier to appear to be that pleasant on the web. Your personality, your response can be edited by yourself so that you appear in the best or better light. I think I appear to many to be quite jolly. A lot of the time I am but I have another side that's gloomy and brooding and feeling uncomfortable and angry that you rarely see here. However, my sensitivity or my 'antennae' as I have always called them, tell me that the people I know through the Internet are good people and are equally so in the real world. They are people who I would enjoy knowing if they lived up the road instead of the other side of the UK or half way around the world. and the common thread is that they have a particular sensitivity and innate gentleness.
Is there a link ? I don't know but I feel there is.
I'd love to know what you think.
* I apologise if this post is rambling. I'm particularly tired at the moment and trying to write this with a background of drilling and hammering and builders all through the house.
22 comments:
This is soooooooooooo interesting cusp! Can't write much now as I'm too tired, but just wanted to say I definitely agree with you that there is a psychological component - makes sense when it is a neurological condition. I think one day it will be understood to be somewhat like MS, with a foot in each camp. think I might also be a HSP - off to read some more. Amanda x
oooh what a great subject for discussion. I totally agree and the stereotype you describe fits me too a tee. Many many life traumas going way back to my early childhood and a constant feeling of being'other'. I have always felt like I was trying to fit into boxes created by other people or society and just never being comfortable with that. The sensitivity thing is also something I have been extremely aware of for many years. It's not just sensitivety in a bad way but just extreme awareness to any emotion and this makes people around me uncomfortable. I have to say that although I do belive CFS to be 100% physical I also believe that all the trauma and emotions most likely opened a door which let the virus or whatever it is get a hold. It's interesting stuff. The other thing I think about is how is it that someone who tries so hard to be a good person and to really help other people can have a life filled with pain and suffering. I believe in balance, and that is not balance!
Well thank God it's not only me then :O)
Absolutely with you re. extreme awareness of emotions and 'atmospheres' form early childhood too. I could understand it in a way if I'd grown up in a house full of pain and arguments i.e. being attuned to any and every 'storm' but my childhood was anything but. I had a very happy childhood at home and very loving parents but I can still remember being so affected by stuff...music, colours, clothes, weather, stories..much more than other people. If you do look at the HSP stuff in more detail you'll see that many HSPs really struggle as to whether this way of being is a curse of a gift and I have to say I have this struggle too. My daughter is much more like me and I really connect to how sensitive she is to all sorts of stuff that just wouldn't occur to other people.
Very interesting post, but I'm one of those who do not fit the pattern you described.
I had a fairly easy, low-stress, very content life until I suddenly got sick with CFS (march 2, 2002). In fact, a few years earlier, I had taken steps to reduce stress in my life - I had left my career (which required a fair amount of travel) to slow life down a little and enjoy more time with my family. Also, no trauma in my early life - a very happy childhood and early adulthood.
I suspect there are many different scenarios that lead to CFS, and certainly, it's been proven that trauma and stress is one path - perhaps in conjunction with an infectious trigger.
Despite being mostly healthy and very active and fit, looking back, I see signs of increasing immune system dysfunction in the years leading up to CFS, even though my CFS seemed to start abruptly at the time. Dr. Bell says this is pretty common.
Hopefully, research will continue to yield more answers for all of us!!
Sue
Hi Amanda and Sue.
Amanda glad you could drop by and hope you'll get chance and energy to read more and maybe return
Sue I don' think everyone with M.E. is HSP. Even the HSP bit is only a theory which I kind of part buy into. I was just musing on the subject. I think sometimes a virus just comes along and, bang, you're the target and there you are a PWME. Sensitivity need not have anything to do with it. I just wonder if being HSP may kind of predispose you to a weakened immune system. Also many aspects of being HSP and physiologically healthy relate to aspects of symptoms of M.E.: increased sensitivity to light, noise, smells, crowds..our reaction/experience of such sensory input is already heightened anyway.
So good to think you had a fairly relaxed life pre M.E. You always strike me as having an easy-going nature anyway -- even with the trials of having M.E. as well as your children.
Thanks for dropping by :O)
I totally relate Cusp! My upbringing was happy in itself ... the childhood traumas were outside the home but inside me! Lot's of icky friends like witnessing a school friend get run over by a bus and several other of my little friends died from illness, accident and even suicide. But also, like you I was and still am very aware and sensative to 'things', music, shape, colour, sounds, STORMS, OMG storms have always done my head in!! hahaha .... it's very interesting stuff. Oh, and although I never experienced bullying at school I was very sensitive to seeing other kids get bullied and I was very aware of being different to the other kids ... as an adult I have enjoyed that difference but as a kid I didn't know what to do with it ....
Yep, it is my opinion (and I am nothing if not opinionated) that MY CFS/ME has been caused by my brain being soaked in stress hormones for the best part of my life, that it is a component of my PTSD and that I am, also, an HSP. Not everyone who is traumatised by events suffers from PTSD, so why is that? Makes sense that some are more 'sensitive' than others, or there is some other factor to add into the mix. I have read that experiencing abuse in childhood is a risk factor for CFS/ME. I also know that not everyone I meet with CFS/ME has had childhood trauma.
It seems to me that we have all been lumped together in one big label of CFS/ME but there are very different things at play. Why, for example, do some become bedridden and some can still work? Are these actually the same conditions? For some there are obvious infectious agents at work like Lyme. And others don't have Lyme.
It's an area ripe for research.
You might also be interested in Emotional Processing. I've just read a really good book by Dr Roger Baker, also I have found John Kabat-Zinn's Full Catastrophe Living very helpful.
Awesome post Cusp.
Cusp:
Thanks for being brave enough to bring this up. Stress does make my CFS/ME worse, just like stress makes my IC worse. I do think that firstly, my body (and probably others) reacts and handles stress differently than others.
I have also had my fair share of trauma and yes, I had some during childhood. So I often wonder if something switches in the brain in a manner of prtection that then can't regulate itself properly later in life.
I think it's possible that this profile makes us more predisposed to a ton of illnesses and yes this may be another one.
I also don't want to be lumped into a category where it's all physicilogical (sorry absolutely could not spell that today - LOL), especially since most of the time I think my mental being stays fairly healthy, and I know for sure that I am SICK - physically.
However, the mind and body work together in strange ways, this is why in the US - we are starting to see so many neuro-psych units - to research how the mind can really contribute to pain signals etc.
I'm a bit foggy today so I hope I got all that out right - and sorry for rambling (smile).
hee hee only a touchy subject if you are HSP ;)
I have many thoughts on this but no capacity for stinging them together, so this may come out a bit blunt... only to say that i do not consider myself to have had undue traumatic life experiences, but there were periods of stress which may not have helped in the run-up but cannot be seen (by me) as causative. I was actually v happy fit relaxed etc etc directly before the major "hit" of illness. My stress tolerance is lower now but i see that as a result of illness and the neuro damage.
Who doesn't have stressful life events and traumas at some point? I am sure it contributes for many, (nevermind how stressful becoming ill is and how you deal at that point must have an impact on illness course/severity) but there are a lot of people who don't get ill and looking at their lifestyle you wonder why not!!!
As for a "type" of person, well i think having these illnesses perhaps brings out certain characteristics more strongly and also those who choose to share and support online are going to be a certain subset... just my tuppence-worth!
not sure if i answered the question in 1st comment - no, i don't think i am a classic HSP!
I echo your thoughts here Cusp. I find myself nodding in complete agreeance with you.
Speaking personally, I would describe myself as a sensitive person if not a hyper-sensitive one. I react to both physical and emotional situations with a degree of sensitivity. I actually feel that this part of my nature can be somewhat of a hindrance to me as I feel that at times I wish that I could just 'toughen up' and roll with things. I do admit to being a little more able to be stronger and slightly less sensitive as I have grown in years and life experience, but underneath I am still a sensitive soul. I just accept that this is a part of who I am and try to deal as best as I can in the best way that I am able.
I do think that having the type of health issues that bombard every part of us both physically and emotionally on a daily basis can eventually either dull our senses or heighten them. In the end I think that whether we are sensitive of not it is really how we react to what comes our way that makes us who we are and forms part of our character.
Hi Jo, Katie, Dawn + Azirca Thanks for all your comments.
I have to say that you Jo echo how I feel about this completely: except you have set it out better than I was able to.
'It seems to me that we have all been lumped together in one big label of CFS/ME but there are very different things at play. '
Personally I don't think everyone with M.E./CFS has had some childhood trauma and as I've said my childhood was very happy in many ways ..apart from school... but my home life was very loving and supportive.
I just think that people who are more sensitive are more susceptible to things like M.E./CFS because our sensitivityt to all sorts of stimulation is so much more attuned and extreme that the stresses are more extreme and that has an effect on the immune system. Then, if one is unfortunate enough to succumb to a chronic illness there's a vicious circle with the stress of being unwell increasing your senstivity and stress.
Lets also be clear that in this context 'sensitive' is rather specific in that it doesn't just mean being 'a sensitive person' i.e. prone to being hurt easily by an unlkind comment etc but more extremely sensitive to all sorts of things: colours, food, weather, noise, music etc. Even as a very young child there were certain clothes of mine and other family members which I simply could not bear to see or wear. There are certain colours which make me feel physically sick -- always have been and still are. Certain sorts of weather make me ill like Lee Lee with storms. I know that emotional lability can be part of M.E. but to be honest I've always been like that. In childhood I used to wish I lived in another culture where it was more acceptable to express emotions freely because I felt so caged in by 1960s Britain.
Well it's all an interesting discussion. I think as we mature we do come to terms with who we are -- however that is -- and we find ways round it if necessary. Personally as I've got into my 50s, and with another birthday about to come, I find I care less and less if people don't like the way I am because I'm harmless ;o) so if they don't like it they can 'do the other thing.'
Thanks for all your comments. If you do want to explore the HSP stuff I'll be happy to give you some links.
Very interesting, Cusp. I am definitely HSP, and guess what - dentist once told me I have "extra nerves" underneath my teeth. Lucky me! It seemed to serve as a kind of metaphor for everything else.
In Steinery theories about early upbringing and education, there is the idea that the healthy functioning of vital organs depends on the right kind of rhythm and general input in these formative years. If one takes this on board (and it makes sense to me), then of course people who have used their vital energies in childhood trying to survive emotional and physical trauma are going to be physically vulnerable - not a surprise therefore if we find that PWME tend to have been one of these (me very much too, btw, though I rarely scratch the surface of all that in blog).
Yes, sometimes I absolutely love the internet and the connections it makes possible. I haven't branched out much (at all) recently - but it's good to know the possibility is there.
And good to know that you are there, Cuspchen.
Good old Rudolf. Interesting that --- I wonder if he was HSP. Although I don't think I could 'live-Steiner' (if you see what I mean) whenever I have visited real Steiner places, like the Camphill homes or schools etc or Steiner HQ in London I have always had a sense of 'ahhhhh' peace because the architecture and the colours are so harmonious and I immediately feel calmer. That was what attrected me to te idea of training as an Art Therapist at Forest Row many moons ago but life took me in a different direction.
Don't think many dentists are HSP (hahaha). Hope your recent visit was bearable.
Good to know you're there too Schwester Signsie and Noele says 'Greetings' from t'other side ;o))
Hey Cusp, I think indeed it is brave to mull about such a connection, although I myself am in the camp of having had childhood trauma but believe it has nothing to do with developing ME! I think there are a thousand reasons our immune systems let us down, I was definitely stressed at the time I succumbed, but a cluster of people in west of Scotland developed Coxsackie and ME in 1980s, so I can only think this had more to do with an enterovirus fucking up our respective neuro-immune systems than any triggering childhood stuff. What scares me about the trauma hypothesis is that Wessely jumps on this trigger as a behavioural malfunction, whereas you are discussing it as cellular malfunction, which is much more reasonable, though, as I say, I am not in that camp myself.
I also think this illness forces you to be still for such long periods that you tap into creativity you may not otherwise have had time for. I doubt very much I would have written a novel if I had not become ill, but I rally have no way of knowing as I got ill at such a crucial age, before I had even finished university. But you were an artist before you got ill and I guess the illness has harnessed your creativity in a different way.
I think blog personas (ae?) are interesting. I doubt any of us put our whole selves out there, and we cannot truly know another from their blog, we can get a good feeling about that person but I think you still need to be careful and not invest *too* much in these fragile connections. Having said that, it can be a wonderful, worthwhile community.
Hi Nasim. Well what I think is that there are people who are just more sensitive in the first place: more sensitive to everything as I've tried to describe above. In this world as it is, where that sort of sensitivity is not really valued and sometimes mocked, it's hard to get by sometimes and stressful. So for some people -- like HSPs their stress levels and their immune systems are already compromised and so if a virus comes along maybe they are more susceptible.
Its true I had gone to Art School before I was diagnosed but, in fact, if I go along with the opinion of the only Specialist I've seen (and I kind of do) I have probably had this infection, this virus, this condition sinec I was about 17..same age as you-ish. In fact even at Art School I had 3 months off because I got so ill and then kind of ducked and dived my way through the remaining 3 years at College.
Naturally all bloggers edit themselves and we can never really 'know' each other in the same way as we do in RL (in fact I'm a sour, mean-spirited, fleash-eating curmudgeon in RL ) but as you say one does get a sense of the real person I think of it as being a sort of contemporary version of penfriends :O)
Glad you came over and drew up a chair for a wee while :O)
I believe there is a link. Not because I know much about ME, but rather that I have believed for a long while that phyical illness can be a manifesting of other emotion distress. I think my Crohns Disease was a manifestation of my unhappiness and loneliness as a child.
As an aside, whenever I watch a cheesy american film, at the end I always say "God, Bless America!"
Well howdy there Kahless. SOooo nice to see you here. Yes I think there is often a link between physical illness and emotional distress.
Hope you're well :O))
Sorry, I know this comment is over four months overdue, lol.
If we think about what is already known about how people contract cancer, it makes sense that a similar set of rules are at play in most other cellular diseases.
Contracting cancer, and possibly ME/CFS, seems to be almost random but we know that certain things are likely to change the odds. I believe we are talking about environmental factors, genetic disposition and psychological factors.
I realise that last point is perhaps controversial and doesn't sit easy with some of us - especially in the UK where we are subjected to constant attempts to convince us we have imagined the illness or are simply depressed etc. But it makes sense to me that our ways of thinking and of processing information impacts our cellular structure. In fact, it's already proven.
Sensitivity is a fascinating subject and I am only at the very beginning of understanding it but I think we do need to be open to the possibility of our personalities and neurological processing patterns having a part to play in becoming ill.
Well as we hadn't 'met' 4 months ago it was unlikely you'd have been aware of my 'umble abode so thou art forgivened. :O)
Re. your comment: Yep, that's exactly what I think but as you say, given the climate in UK re. M.E., it's risky to bring up the 'p' word lest you incur the wrath of people who are less open to possibilities.
Unfortunately the vol au vents and tapas allotted to this particular post are now past their best so I'm afraid you'll have to wait til my next post for nibbles.
Au revoir !
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